Magnus Opus by Geoff Lloyd

Since the new mill owners threw this conversation wide open to us oiks working the looms, the most fiercely debated subject has been music. Somewhat inadvertently, I have emerged as a firebrand; a latter day Ned Ludd, wanting to lead a workers’ uprising to smash up the Selector computer and lay waste to all those wretched Scouting For Girls CDs.

I (and others) have already written about music repetition and predictability at such length that we ourselves are becoming like a stuck record. This is the last time, I promise. Here, in my final blogging word on the subject of music scheduling (I know I’m already a bit of a bore, and I certainly don’t want that prefixing with the word ‘crashing’), I will put forward my sincerest belief that ‘She’s So Lovely’, The Hoosiers and that record by the young lady who kissed another young lady and consequently liked it should all be heard prominently on our radio station.

Don’t worry – I haven’t had my mouth stuffed with gold by our paymasters in return for spouting propaganda, I’ll also put forward my point of view that unless these insubstantial, zero-calorie, guitar pop products are augmented with much better and more credible music, we could rebrand ourselves FREE-SPEEDBOAT-FOR-EVERY-LISTENER FM and still be sniffing that rotten and all too familiar stench of decline.

It’s a wonder our music scheduling team haven’t erected a barbed-wire fence and procured Kalashnikovs, with the amount of flak they’ve taken since the great One Golden Square debate began. Mark Bingham had the misfortune to be stuck with me in one of those Albion select committee meetings when I started shrieking like a fishwife about the records we play. I hear James Curran suffered a similar onslaught at the hands of Nelson, Hannah and Gareth.

I can’t overemphasise my respect for, and faith in the music team we have here. They are conscientious professionals who meticulously work to the brief they are given. And that brief, in our recent history has been to put together a tightly focused, pure research driven radio station. Or, to paraphrase another posting on this blog; all science and no art. But what if we let these talented boys don their smocks and paint palettes, and throw a bit of art into the mix? Set them free?

In an earlier post, I said that you couldn’t hope to meet two bigger music lovers than James and Tim. James’ music knowledge goes twenty thousand leagues deep, and Tim was previously responsible for the music in a weekly programme called ‘Razor Cuts’, the most eclectic and interesting bunch of records we’ve ever beamed out onto our airwaves. (And guess what, format fans? It didn’t damage the ratings one jot, consistently holding its own, sometimes excelling, and always adding depth to our output.)

Programming the music in commercial radio has become akin to interior designing a fast food restaurant chain, with the programmers choosing the exact shades of paint that the market research says creates the right mood in its customers. It’s a tragedy. People who become heads of music and music schedulers do so because they love music, but end up micromanaging a database. These music fans have had to divorce themselves from the very passion for music that led them here in the first place.

It’s easy to see the logic in how we got here. Magic and Heart have both occupied London’s top spot by using the kind of precise, clinical music programming that James and Tim have been briefed to adhere to. If it can work for them, why not for us? Let’s look at what those stations are…

Magic is the relaxation station. You turn it on to chill out. Heart is the feelgood station. You turn it on to smile and singalong. They’re both selling moods that music creates, not the music itself. So what are we? Connect with Music. The Music we all Love. Real Music. We sell ourselves as the station for people who care about music, but then programme our music as if we were playing Tetris, guiding a computer to put the right shaped blocks fit in the correct patterns.

Yes, we’re a broad church – we’re not the station for people who only like music by bands from Camden released on a limited edition vinyl single, or the station for people who just want to hear Pink Floyd’s ‘Atom Heart Mother’ LP played in its uninterrupted glory. We are a radio station for people who want to hear the best old and new music performed by acts who by and large play in beat groups and write their own songs.

I’m no elitist. A big chunk of the people who seek out our radio station are the type of people who went mad for Scouting for Girls at this year’s Isle of Wight Festival and wandered off bemusedly when the legendary Iggy and the Stooges ripped the stage apart. They form a majority, and of course we should be giving them those big hit songs that fit our format, otherwise they’ll find them elsewhere.

The problem we’ve got is that we currently super serve these people, and completely ignore anything less throwaway. We position ourselves as a station for real music, but render ourselves ridiculous to actual music fans by ignoring bands with quality, credibility or importance. The Arcade Fire have been widely been hailed as one of the most exciting bands to emerge in recent years. You wouldn’t know it if you listened to us. Ditto The White Stripes, The Libertines, The Flaming Lips, Last Shadow Puppets and lots more.

Our back catalogue stuff suffers the same fate. We hammer cheesy eighties acts like Aha (which we absolutely should be playing) but ignore, for example, The Stone Roses. We rock out to the big haired pomp of Bon Jovi (again, it should certainly be in the mix) but even at the height of last year’s ticket fever, Led Zeppelin barely got a look in. You’d think The Cure only ever released ‘Love Cats’, Radiohead ‘Creep’ and Nirvana ‘Smells Like Teen Spirit’. Again, each of these tracks should be played, and as the most popular tracks by each artist, probably played the most often, but must it really stop there? Must we reduce some of the greatest acts of all time to one hum-able song?

Of course, if we were positioning ourselves as a pure hit music pop station, none of this would matter a jot, and any thoughts of credibility or depth would be potential suicide. If I was working on my last station, Piccadilly Key 103 in Manchester, maybe I’d be delighted to see The Hoosiers on my running order, breaking up the boybands and talent show nonsense. But how can we make any real claim to stand for ‘Real Music’ or to ‘Connect with Music’ when anyone with even a passing interest in music would just hear the most pedestrian of current bands and predictable oldies?

I’m not proposing that we put a tonne of dynamite under the music policy and then rebuild it into the kind of station that would have, say, me, Kweez and Bobby stroking our chins in muso approval and the wider audience fleeing for the hills. I’m in agreement that all the current stuff we play, we should still play, and it should still be the heaviest weighted stuff on the list. The same goes for the old songs, too. Pack it with big-testing songs that we know are going to score home runs for us. But at least devote some of the time to being just a little bit more interesting, showing a little bit more depth, more intelligence, so that we can lay at least some claim to having music credentials.

If we’re playing 11 records an hour during the day, would it really damage us to make two of them a bit special – maybe one old, one new? I don’t think so, and I think a little special goes a long way, too…

Like the biggest single chunk of the radio listening audience, I’m a fan of BBC Radio 2. I listen to it because I like the environment they’ve created for me as a listener – tone, presenters, values and music. The odd thing is, if you were to input my tastes into a clever piece of radio station matching software, it would come back with BBC 6Music, or maybe Xfm, but Radio 2 is my default station. The typical knee-jerk counter argument to this is that I’m listening for the DJs, not the music. Not true. The much maligned Johnny Vaughan is probably the sharpest, cleverest, funniest personality on commercial radio, but I never, ever tune in to his show, because I’m scared of the teeny chart pop music.

When I listen to BBC Radio 2, because I feel that they care about music, I’ll sit through terrible records like ‘More than Words’ by Extreme, or ‘Sussudio’ by Phil Collins, not just to hear the speech content, but because I know I’ll be rewarded for my patience by a really surprising or brilliant music choice.

I heard Chris Evans open his show with The Velvet Underground’s ‘I’m Waiting For The Man’ the other week. I was so excited to hear that song on the radio, and felt a surge of love and loyalty for Radio 2. I’ve never heard that song before on that station, and probably never will again, but it’s left me with the feeling that Radio 2 is my kind of station because it plays The Velvet Underground at 5 in the afternoon.

Here at One Golden Square, under the current directive they’ve been given, if I even suggested to James and Tim that we played that record at midnight, in amongst our tried and tested formula, they’d start writhing on the floor and frothing at the mouth, convinced that I’d just uttered some foul blasphemy. But would the sky really darken and fireballs start falling to earth if we played a different, less obvious record every now and then? Would our audience really start vomiting blood and thrashing around, desperately grasping for the radio dial? I don’t think so.

A while ago, as part of a wider conversation and experiment on our show, we did a one-off programme where we threw the playlist out of the window for the night. We hand-held the listener throughout the whole thing, and believe it or not, I made an impassioned speech in defence of the existing playlist. We then tried it the old fashioned way – a big bag of songs we wanted to share with the audience.

We didn’t stray into John Peel territory; this was a mixture of stuff that you might find in Channel 4’s Greatest Albums of All Time, some lesser played stuff from artists and eras we already feature, and some quirky newer stuff. Throughout the programme, we urged the listeners to feed back on what they were hearing, bad and good.

The response was phenomenal. Given that we’re told that people are far more likely to complain than praise, we were bracing ourselves for the worst, a barrage of moaning, and hoping for a fifty/fifty split. What we ended up with was a flood of email and texts, more than 90% positive. I’m well aware that this isn’t a scientific piece of research (Adam and Adrian probably have their heads in their hands in despair at my methodology), but it is from genuine listeners, and provides at least some insight into what happens when you don’t do things exactly by the book.

There was no appetite here at the station for this kind of thing when it was broadcast, but the other day I forwarded the listeners’ contributions in their entirety as part of the conversation we’ve all been having about the future. I can forward them all, positive and negative, by email if you’d like to see them, along with that evening’s playlist. But for now, here are some of the good things our audience had to say when we dared to do something a little different:

“Loving the spontenaity of no playlist. A great chance to hear some unusual stuff, some true unknown gems.”

“I think the lack of the playlist is great! I like Virgin radio but when I am listening to it the whole day… from Ben jones to the Geoff show to the breakfast show, it is the same song being played again and again which can get tiring. So hearing these new or different music is really refreshing!:)”

“I listen every afternoon while I’m at work and finding tonight’s show very interesting. I’m going to stay tuned, just to see what you might play next”

“I have been listening to this show for the last 6 months and every night is awsome but this night has been purely orgasmic. All the excentric music has now been added to my itunes play list. This has made my week. I think it was even better than the day I found this show.”

“I just wanted to say what a pleasure it is not to have a play list, I am sick to death of hearing the same songs 15 times a day everyday, everyweek, it drives me crazy.

I have never mailed the show before but feel compeled to do so as I have loved the veriety of music played today and really do not want it to stop… ”

“If only every show could be like tonight’s. Commercial radio sucks. If I hear The Feeling one more time I’m going to scream.”

“If they put more of this on the playlist i would listen to xfm less. If they let you do this for one night a month or something i would be more impressed with virgin”

“This is radio how it should b, play lists r boring and you’ve breathed fresh air into what is now stagnent radio. Virgin radio has fallen into the same trap as the other station”

“The way it should be! Your playing the music I actually love!”

Geoff

Comments (43)

  1. Bobby Chin @ August 7, 2008 at 4:47 pm | Permalink

    Great blog David! just thought i would share the greatness of this Verve session recentley recorded on the Zane Lowe show for radio 1, I hope this is the kind of pull we will have in the future and is something that we could achieve at one golden square!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/zanelowe/

    click on the video the verve session

  2. Serena Maya @ August 7, 2008 at 5:18 pm | Permalink

    Thanks very much Geoff Lloyd..! You have expressed how we long time Virgin Radio Listeners feel..!! Have you ever thought of Writing a book..? you should – you’re a natural . Looking forward to having you back on the Radio next week. Serena Maya, Aidan and Saskia Reed xxxx

  3. Nelson @ August 7, 2008 at 5:21 pm | Permalink

    Hear hear. I had planned to write a similar article but Geoff has pretty much summed up what I wanted to say (much more adequately, if not as succinctly).

    The new football season is just around the corner and millions across the country are busying themselves playing Fantasy Football competitions…..and while in THAT ill-tempered brainstorming meeting I attended with many other passionate Virgin staff (myself, Gareth and Hannah just stopped short of whacking James Curran over the head with a bat) it appeared to me that we were actually being given the chance to play Fantasy Radio; the extremely rare opportunity to really have an input into forming a/the ‘New Brand’.

    I for one loved it and everyone else in the room appeared to love the chance to have their say. What came through for me was just how much everyone at every level of the station cares about what happens from here on in.

    What was curious though is that at one stage of the proceedings we were asked by the Albion man to completely be free and boundless in our ideas for where the station should be heading. There came a point where we were all stumped. Nothing was coming out. I suggest this was NOT because nobody had any ideas – plenty had been unleashed before this point – BUT more due to the fact that when one is offered the chance to be completely free and creative sometimes you can’t believe your luck – you unfortunately begin to clam up.

    I trust that this will not happen when the final decisions are made at One Golden Square and when we move into our bright new future. Let’s hope the shackles are off for all time. Let’s soar like Jonathan Livingston Seagull. Let’s have Cristiano Ronaldo, Frank Lampard, Fernando Torres and Wayne Rooney in the same team. Let our fantasies become a reality

  4. Bingethink @ August 7, 2008 at 5:44 pm | Permalink

    Hmm. Just wrote a long insightful reply that my computer mangled.

    Anyway, Geoff speaks The Truth. Well said.

  5. Jason Bourne @ August 7, 2008 at 5:52 pm | Permalink

    Oh, Geoff! You speak an incredible amount of sense and I’ve found myself agreeing with almost everything you say in this.

    It’s astounding that a number of bands that would fit perfectly into the station’s sound have been overlooked over previous years. I said something similar in one of Ben Jones’ comments about the playlist and it’s great to know that the number of songs per artist are going to be made greater. I used Franz Ferdinand as a prime example of this in that Virgin only play ‘Take Me Out’. It’s a great track but so is ‘Matinee’ (which I only remember being played ONCE on The Geoff Show in the last two years) as well as ‘Michael’, ‘This Fire’ and ‘Walk Away.’ The Zutons are also a prime example. ‘Valerie’ is good but played far too much and they did have an album before that. ‘Confusion’, ‘Zuton Fever’ and ‘Don’t Ever Think’ would sound amazing.

    Virgin Radio listeners are people that care about music and have knowledge about what they listen to. They were people that attend gigs in their lives and know they they like. This is contained within the literature given out to potential advertisers but doesn’t ever seen to be refelected into the playlist at the station.

    Geoff cites The Last Shaddow Puppets as an example as a band that the station SHOULD be playing and I couldn’t agree more. Their two singles: ‘Standing Next to Me’ and ‘Age of the Understatement’ would sound immense on the station but have been overlooked for what reason exactly? They aren’t an obscure band and would surely go down better than Gabriella Cilmi or Sara Bareilles.

    I see Ida Maria is currently on the playlist. Great, but she should have been on it a month ago. Also thumbs up for Noah and the Whale and Kings of Leon but lets see The Automatic, CSS, Futurehads, Vampire Weekend and We Are Scientists on Virgin (or whatever it’ll be called). They won’t sound out of place. I’m not saying play obscure new bands but play some of the ones likely to get played on XFM’s daytime playlist.

    This new station can indeed be one of the greatest stations to ever grace this isle of ours. I hope to have fun listening.

  6. Jason Bourne @ August 7, 2008 at 6:04 pm | Permalink

    I wanted to say this as well but forgot…

    There’s no ‘new music’ show on the station since the days of The Edge with Steve Harris. The guy sounds like he loves doing Music Response on XFM and surely a show like this should be on the station but not at some obscure time of the day like it was before. I seem to recall 1:00am-3:00am on a Saturday morning.

    And by having a show like that, one could EASILY cross-promote Virgin Radio Xtreme. The same could be done of Virgin Classic Rock on a classic rock show on Virgin. Simple.

  7. Marty from new yawk @ August 7, 2008 at 7:32 pm | Permalink

    I agree completely w/Geoff. As someone who is listening to some part of nearly every programme on the station, greater variety would be much appreciated (and perhaps medically necessary).

    Also, I wish to take issue w/the Noah & the Whale track currently in the play list (as discussed above). The track is beginning to make me violent. Perhaps, you could schedule a nice calming track for me like Helter Skelter to play immediately after that one.

  8. Adam Francis @ August 7, 2008 at 8:54 pm | Permalink

    I read this post – stood up, and applauded.

    Not being involved (from the inside, at least), with the transformation / evolution, of Virgin Radio, I am genuinely excited about what the Autumn holds.

    Adam

  9. Niko (from Manila) @ August 8, 2008 at 1:11 am | Permalink

    Geoff,

    Reading this made my jaw drop. I’d have to agree with everybody else’s points – they’ve already said it!

    I’d like to have a copy of your playlist for that episode (can’t recall what it was called, since I’m probably asleep by then, as it’s the wee hours of the morning in Manila at the time)… how can I keep in touch?

    I now realize how hard a balancing act it is for the folks at 1GS to tweak (or overhaul) the music policy – you’re basically a mainstream station with XFM/6 Music/something else tendencies. It’s a matter of putting them all together and perhaps not annoying the majority (you can’t please them all, after all). And with your other assets such as Classic Rock and Xtreme, I think you can pull it off; I’ll listen in and clock in when it finally happens.

    The crowd is pretty large now, with folks such as NME and Q getting into radio and making the celebration a large one. I hope you make yourselves distinct, and I wish you luck on that.

    Jason,

    Yes, The Edge was on 01.00-03.00 Saturdays. And Razor Cuts was on… 20.00 to 22.00 Sundays?

  10. Steve @ August 8, 2008 at 2:01 pm | Permalink

    I am pretty well behind what Geoff says. When I turn on Virgin, I want to hear some rock music – from the classics of years gone by to more modern material. Variety ( in style, not just in tracks ) means that I will listen through a track that I might not especially like, because there might be a stunner next.

    There seems currently to be a surfeit on “indie-rock” type bands, many of which sound the same. And when Scouting for Girls have anothe song that sounds like all of their others, it get boring. Rock covers a wide range of music. I don’t expect Motorhead and Black Sabbath all the time, but at the same time, the raw agression would make a nice change to some of the blandness. I think ( FWIW – probably nothing ) that Virgin should be playing music right across the rock spectrum.

  11. Allan @ August 8, 2008 at 4:49 pm | Permalink

    Geoff has summed it up perfectly. I used to tune into Virgin for “one classic song then one new song”, but found that the range of both types was becoming narrower and more predictable. And there have been too many dodgy 80s songs recently! I usually listen to Xfm or 6 Music but Virgin Xtreme is a gem of a station – more music and fewer ads with an edgier daytime playlist than Xfm, no waffly or egotistic breakfast DJs, and more consistent than 6 Music. Would like to see something like the old Razor Cuts on the main Virgin (new incarnation) at a sensible time.

  12. Dave @ August 8, 2008 at 5:20 pm | Permalink

    Geoff,

    I am overjoyed to hear your comments and hope that they have not fallen on deaf ears. I like many others am a loyal Virgin listner and although it would be very hard to shift me from my listening perch, I do find myself reaching for the ipod more and more these days especially if I have been listening for most of the day.

    I agree that there must be a certain amount of the ‘mainstream’ played but where is the rest of the good old rock music with the different tracks even from artists alredy being played.

    I am very much looking forward to the Autumn and the future.

  13. Ian @ August 8, 2008 at 7:05 pm | Permalink

    I first started listening to you because of the no repeat 9 to 5, yes that long!!. Brilliant concept sadly lacking now. I only stay because you still play a great mix but too much of the same artist. Madness did do other stuff(brilliant stuff) than our house or my girl. The Jam rarely put a foot wrong and the same with the Clash, rock the casbah is only so good.We wont all scream and run away if you mix it up a bit, promise!. ps, love Russ, but please there was loads of music in the 80s!!

  14. Andy @ August 8, 2008 at 7:33 pm | Permalink

    Yes, yes, yes! You make absolute sense. Surely the policy that you advocate would satisfy the existing, loyal audience as well as slowly attracting a few floating, new listeners? The very opposite of a ‘decline’.

  15. david @ August 9, 2008 at 10:37 am | Permalink

    Geoff

    I like what you say and hope the new change in name will usher in a playlist that mixes it up a bit not in style but in depth of artist as Im sure Blondie made more than just one song but I only ever hear the same one or two, also whats wrong with glam rock from the 60′s & 70′s dont hear that much instead it seem you scrape the bottom of the 80′s barrel after you have played all the good ones.

  16. Jeremy @ August 9, 2008 at 7:48 pm | Permalink

    Geoff,

    I really enjoyed reading your post. I’ve had the pleasure of spending four years stumbling my way through the lowest rung of the radio ladder, crashing the vocal and fading the wrong mic on my student station at uni. I fought (and lost) the argument of playlist vs no playlist with my friends – the playlist went and everyone played what they liked, even at noon when we were being pumped out in the Union bars.

    That’s not what I wanted to talk about, though. I wanted to look at what I learned from Rare FM as a listener. As well as listening to my friends’ shows, I liked to tune in at random to see what was playing. It demonstrated that you can’t just listen to any old show – most of it wasn’t to my taste. It was worth it for the odd time I discovered something great – more often old than new.

    Obviously, if [insert Golden Square FM's real new name here] is going to keep those ratings healthy, it needs to have a tight playlist that hits the home runs, as you rightly said.

    Commercial radio bigwigs love to blame the BBC and the iPod for eating their audience share and too many (Xfm, Heart and myriad local stations run by the big groups) have fallen into the trap of shutting their DJs up, cutting costs to the extent that it’s just a computer and some maths and a small pile of bland music on a loop. I was really refreshed to see you argue that the BBC are doing well because they run good stations. I would summarise it thus:

    Some predictability is reassuring.
    Total predictability is breathtakingly boring.

    Take the Geoff show as an example. I listen to it because the bits between the music, the links and features, the Geoffy bits, are such that you never quite know what is going to happen next, but you know it’ll be a slice of at least partial genius often enough that you can’t not listen.

    If I was sat with a stack of money bankrolling a radio station, which I’m not, I’d love your suggestion of one track each old and new ‘a la carte’ in each hour. I’d also be recruiting a Steve Harris.

    Here’s why. Ratings are always going to vary, for any number of reasons. Common sense says that it’s best to have a really good, broad core of people in that listenership who just won’t ever touch that dial for fear of missing something special. They’re the people who’ll get other people to switch over, and VR has been pretty good at a lot of points in getting these people engaged and interacting. You have to make the station addictive, and the same old playlist and nothing else isn’t capable of doing that.

    When I switch to another station from VR, it’s usually because I’m hearing the same songs again. To stop me getting that impression wouldn’t mean any more than you’re suggesting – occasionally being thrown a surprise ball.

    Fundamentally, I believe that the music people say is great in focus groups is different to the music they’ll enjoy if you play it on the radio. People can’t say they like something they’ve not yet heard.

    Besides, with the great technical people at VR who do a million and one great things, surely audience feedback could be harnessed with a simple tagging system or something such that data could be collected on what special choices went down well and what was less well received, to inform future choices? The music department have the expertise to interpret those results and come up with some new ideas that respond to them.

    In different language, I’m sure it could even be pitched in a way that sounded great to the businessy people who are, after all, a necessity.

    Right, back to the job applications.

    Jeremy

  17. Derek Holmes @ August 9, 2008 at 9:22 pm | Permalink

    Brilliantly put Geoff. Lets go back to “classic album tracks and the best new music”. Bring back the no repeat 9-5 and ditch the 3 hour repeat play policy.

  18. Mike Nassour @ August 9, 2008 at 10:42 pm | Permalink

    Thank you SO much Geoff. Frankly, what you’ve posted here is applicable not only to Virgin, but much of radio in the entire UK and U.S. as well. A bit of wonderful insight from the other side of the microphone, rather than just letting the playlist run….how great is that!

  19. Miranda @ August 10, 2008 at 12:44 pm | Permalink

    Thanks Geoff, I strongly agree with you. Somebody please listen!

  20. Dinah @ August 10, 2008 at 9:54 pm | Permalink

    Geoff Lloyd speaks as the voice of reason and again is trying to subvert the system from within. Don’t hold back Geoff, (not that you will) and everyone out there, get more people to listen to Geoff Show and demand less controlled play lists. It’ll never be as bad as magic fm though, I hope. I’d rather kill myself than listen to Michael Buble and Phil Collins on a loop every hour on the hour.

  21. alittlebrighter @ August 10, 2008 at 10:23 pm | Permalink

    Well its about time :-) thanks Geoff for final;ly standing up and saying what everyone else has been thinking :-) I listen to Virgin a lot, and unlike Geoff, evver patient ;-) I’m not willing to sit there and listen to Radio 2′s talent shows and chart toppers, because I hate 8 out of 10 songs that are played, and frankly I’d rather listen to a limited play list of songs that I mostly love, than a massive range of songs that I mostly hate :-S but seriously, Virgin deals with more or less 2 genres, rock and indie, which is great cos thats exactly what I like, and I promise you will not lose listeners by playing a greater variety of songs from within that genre, both from artists we already know, and from some up and coming ones! Really looking forward to the revamp, and I just wish that radio was run by more people like Geoff, and less by computers!

  22. Rob @ August 11, 2008 at 9:44 am | Permalink

    Here, here.

    I agree with you 100% Geoff (and everyone else pretty much). I’ve been listeing to Virgin sionce the first day but lately I’ve become very fickle. I’m fed up with My Chemical Romance and all the rest of the cheesy “pop”, and all those damn female singer songwriters. I’ve been telling the “heads of music” as much too on Songpeople interviews. I listen increasingly to Classic rock actually, because that is what I love. But I also like the modern stuff too. Stop repeating everything play more than just Danni California from the Chilli Peppers (and more than the one or possibly 2 songs from all the other artists) play some old stuff alongside the new.
    How about a bit of Cream or Led Zep once in a while, a bit of Black Sabbath or even Iron Maiden probably wouldn’t scare too many listeners either. Virgin introducded me to a heap of old 70′s Rock that I’d never heard of before and I now know and love. Do the same for another generation.

  23. Alistair MacPherson @ August 11, 2008 at 3:49 pm | Permalink

    You hit the nail on the head Geoff. Some of this was discussed at one of the Albion market research evening which I had the privilege to attend but it needs to interwoven into the very structure of the new brand.

  24. Keith Francis Gooden @ August 12, 2008 at 12:24 pm | Permalink

    Well said! Research counts but then again, so does art! Too many programmers have hidden behind research to protect their jobs….. ” You can’t blame me for the bad figures…. The research says we’re doing it right!” A couple of ‘Spice Tracks’ an hour ? If you can’t do it who can ?

    I love to drink Coca Cola AND Champagne!

  25. redrog @ August 12, 2008 at 2:38 pm | Permalink

    Geoff – nail on head

    I’ve listened to Virgin since the test transmissions as it sits squarely in my genre of music and I struggle to listen to any other music station as they are either invariably teeny bopper or too cool.

    However, the playlist drives me CRAZY. The same songs played on my way to work, again on the way home and if I’m out late, again on your show at 10.30.

    The lack of depth selected from the back catalogue of our best artists is staggering. The same oldies over and over. Our greatest ever artists reduced to one or two songs and the over playing of safe artists like Oasis and Coldplay.

    New music is confined to the biggest hyped mainstream indie bands of the time or those that are headlining V.

    As I said the genre is right, the diversity of selection is oh so wrong.

    What’s wrong with the odd obscure album track from Queen or Led Zep? What about the odd unsigned artist? What about the new track from Lightspeed Champion? What about playing the B side instead of the A side? What about allowing the DJ to choose something he really likes?

    As you have said better than I ever could, its not about ditching the current content – far from it – its about adding some depth and distinction from the station.

    Hopefully the rebranding will also bring some new thinking.

  26. Katy @ August 12, 2008 at 4:32 pm | Permalink

    Geoff is the rightest person in the world. I’m not sure how much grammatical sense that makes but it’s true! I unfortunately missed the show where they threw out the playlist but I can imagine it was AWESOME! It’s why I like Virgin Xtreme so much. Although they play a lot of the same stuff all the time, they occasionally slip in an obscure song every now and then.

    I will never forget flicking through the stations and I suddenly heard All the Pretty Faces by the Killers. I am completely obsessed with the band and although I think AtPF (can’t be bothered to type it again!) is one of the bands weaker songs I feel completely indebted to the station for putting a smile on my face and I listen to Xtreme now a lot more than Virgin, so I think regular Virgin could learn a lot from their own smaller station!

  27. Stacey @ August 12, 2008 at 9:28 pm | Permalink

    Well said, Geoff! I hope the powers-that-be read the postings on your BLOG and allow you creative license to be a DJ, not some payola Gibbon playing what attracts the broadest demographic. When will the execs ever learn? When you appeal to the masses, you become homogenized and unremarkable. Who wants unremarkable music? Not me, for one.
    Good luck in your quest for better radio! IF you should lose the battle and find yourself employed elsewhere, please make sure your loyal fans know where to find you. I have already fired off an email advising the new management not to get rid of The Symposium, that I will follow my FAV DJ’s…wherever they shall land.

  28. Elise @ August 13, 2008 at 5:04 am | Permalink

    Excellent point Geoff. As a listener from the US I have to say that one of the delights of listening to Virgin Radio is that there is such a wide variety, and I get to hear all sorts of new things that we never get over here. I gave up listening to US radio years ago because it was way to formulaic. Oh and I am glad you pointed out how often The Cure’s Love Cats was played, I was starting to think I was mad as it was on whenever I listened.

  29. Pat @ August 14, 2008 at 4:46 pm | Permalink

    Good blog Geoff. One question though. Why the hell do Virgin play James Blunt? Seems like a nice guy but……

  30. Ronnie @ August 14, 2008 at 4:51 pm | Permalink

    Great blog Geoff,

    Nice to hear you speaking your mind like your former colleague Peter used to do from time to time live on air before it finallly got to him and he upped sticks and left!

    Regarding your show, I quit listening to it live when you opened with “Razorlight – America” one too many times and now just liten to the podcast instead. If the station changes it’s policy there’s a chance I might come back as a live listener but I remain sceptical for the time being. There’s a lot of damage to be undone….

  31. Fraser @ August 14, 2008 at 5:35 pm | Permalink

    Couldn’t agree with you more Geoff…

    You’ve just said what I (and everyone else by the looks of things) what they’ve been thinking for ages…

    Like the other ‘commenters’ a return to no repeat 9 to 5 policy would be half the battle… Theres nothing bad about the music on Virgin just now but certain songs need played far less often…. If I hear Nickelback “Rockstar” anytime again soon – I might cry.

    Somebody mentioned We Are Scientists… Just one band we could do with hearing more of… However, it would be shame if Virgin came to XFM-ish so give us a good mix of classics as well…

    I think I’m just really repeating everything Geoff has said… However, thanks Geoff for speaking up!!

  32. Drew @ August 14, 2008 at 6:39 pm | Permalink

    I listen mainly by podcast, and so that’s how I heard Geoff’s unplaylisted show. Even with only 10 seconds of intro and outro per track I was more excited by the music I heard on that show than I have been since the days of Razor Cuts.

    There’s a massive difference between tuning in and knowing what music you’re going to get, and tuning in knowing exactly which tracks you’ll hear.

    Create some space for spontaneity in the schedule. For the sake of the listeners.

  33. Ryan @ August 14, 2008 at 6:48 pm | Permalink

    Nice one, Geoff!
    The ‘feeling’ of the station is what keeps me listening.
    If your suggestions come to fruition, and the selection of tracks become more varied and less obvious, my ears will be with you for good.
    Cheers.

  34. Stephen Lange @ August 14, 2008 at 6:53 pm | Permalink

    Hi Geoff, I’ve been a listener here in the States for several years. The local station plays almost all “oldies” – and don’t get me wrong, I love hearing the music I grew up with. But Virgin played the oldies and mixed in some of the newer talent, expanding my musical horizon much more than it would be if I listened only to what is available here.

    I depend on Virgin, by whatever name, to continue that fine tradition. I may be outside your “target audience” age-wise, but rock and roll has kept me young at heart all my life. Keep the best of the old and mix it with the best of the new, please.

    Oh – and give Annabel a hug and kiss for me, okay? ;)

    Rock on!

  35. RichE @ August 14, 2008 at 8:00 pm | Permalink

    I have also listened to Virgin since the original test transmissions. At that time, part of the buzz for me was that London would finally get a real AOR station, with the “sound” of the US stations.
    Geoff, I’m sure I prefer DJ’s being DJ’s, much better than always following a pre determined playlist based on numbers and as you say the show has a vibe…. especially as we, the listeners, don’t know what is next. We can easily tell if we hear the same thing too much though.
    There is a lot that can be bettered now, including the overall sound via the internet.
    Good luck, I think this change sounds like it will be a lot of fun.

  36. Jonathan M @ August 15, 2008 at 4:29 am | Permalink

    Cosign in total. One result of being raised in the radio-benighted American Deep South was that when I first found Virgin in 2004 (streaming all the way to Silicon Valley), nearly everything was new apart from a couple of 50s-era tracks that Suggs had and of course the inexplicable “Sweet Home Alabama.” It has been an education (especially since my then-fiancee-now-wife was a huge New Wave listener years ago and I had a lot of remedial listening to do).

    I’ve never known anyone to go into radio DJ work who didn’t love music, and love a lot of music from all eras and genres. The catch-as-can US format with the preposterous label of “Jack” is sort of but not quite what I have in mind – but there definitely needs to be plenty of “if you like this record, you should hear this as well.”

    Honestly, I can’t talk – my current employer is very security-conscious as they put shuttles into space and as such have blocked all streaming audio, so it’s all podcast for me these days.

    And on behalf of all of America, I apologize profusely for the whole Katy Perry nonsense. I promise it won’t happen again. Really.

  37. Annie @ August 15, 2008 at 9:01 am | Permalink

    I am a Geoff podcast listener as he plays just the right amount of music (about ten seconds of each song) and the right amount of adverts (none hopefully!). However when I do listen to Virgin radio normally I often have to listen to the same songs he plays in his shows (Gabriella Cilmi, that awful I kissed a girl rubbish, the one about liking being naked- how bliss to remember the times when the only nakedness mentioned on Geoff’s show was his own during administering the unpleasantness!!)
    When I hear him mention an older song however, like old Beatles, Paul Weller and more stuff that, being from a younger generation, I haven’t heard before I often pause Geoff’s ramblings and check it out on YouTube. Sometimes I am more than happy I’ve bypassed the song by way of podcasting- however quite often I have been pleasantly surprised and stayed on YouTube flicking through other songs by the same artist. This is how I discovered They Might Be Giants and I now can’t get enough, though Birdhouse will always be my favourite!
    Geoff is so knowledgeable about music that to have him play Sarah Boreilles (spelling???) three nights in a row must feel like a slap in the face to him.( Although please don’t give him the freedom to just play Beatles and Paul McCartney all night!!)
    Go ahead Virgin, mix it up!

  38. Andy @ August 18, 2008 at 12:12 am | Permalink

    I agree with what Geoff is saying.

    Two of the great things that good music radio can offer is (i) introduce the listener to new music – new artists, new songs, different genres etc. and (ii) reintroduce the listener to music that they’ve forgotten. I’ve pretty much stopped listening to Virgin over the last couple of years, because it doesn’t really do either of these. I should say that this is pretty much the case with all commercial radio stations at the moment, whilst this is something BBC Radio 2 can seem to manage.

    Geoff mentioned Razor Cuts – this was an excellent Sunday evening show. It used to be followed by the equally good, but quite different, Captain America show. Both these programmes, which played a diverse range of music, were compiled and presented with passion and care. They were replaced with the standard Virgin fare that could be heard right through the rest of the week. What a shame. I stopped listening on Sunday nights, and began not to bother with Virgin much throughout the week either.

    I can never understand why every commerical musicstation feels the necessity to only play music that none of its listeners will find offensive, the results being deathly bland broadcasting. There are two Virgin examples that really drove me mad. Firstly, following an interview with the legend Tony Bennett, Paul Coyte played Kate Bush ‘Runing Up That Hill’. It’s a great song, but having just spent the last 10 minutes talking to Tony Bennett about his music, why not illustrate it to listeners? No, it’s not the genre of music associated with Virgin, but if Tony Bennett is worthy of the interview, playing just one of his songs would surely be acceptable – it may well have been the first time some listener would have heard this. Secondly, an interview with Ray Davies of The Kinks, the interview being about The Kinks new music. The interview was followed by ‘You Really Got Me’. Enough said. Glad I’ve got that off my chest after all these years.

    So in summary:
    - reduce the predictability of output across the schedule (the two spice tracks sounds good!)
    - put in some specialist shows with passionate presenters
    - oh, and don’t go for catchprases! (‘more music variety, ‘today’s best mix’) etc.

    I look forward to checking out the new station, maybe I’ll become a regular listener again!

  39. Lynda Ashton @ August 18, 2008 at 1:42 am | Permalink

    So happy to read this! Geoff is sooo right and I love him for telling it how it is! I went through a phase where I used to e-mail Virgin daily to plead with them to stop playing the Feeling and Scouting for Girls every 10 minutes. Me & husband have an ongoing joke where we play ‘guess how many songs it will take to hear the Feeling or SFG’ when we turn the radio on, and it’s depressing how soon they crop up. We’ve loved Virgin for years but the constant rotation of a handful of safe songs (now Kid Rock / Climi woman and Nickleback)has had us switching of, so I sooo hope this new re-vamp will reinvigorate the station! (And am I the only one who is really irritated by Christian O’Connell?)

  40. Ned @ August 19, 2008 at 10:59 pm | Permalink

    Nail & head in perfect harmony.

    Madness are a great example. If I only knew of them through Virgin, I’d think they’d only ever recorded a cover of It Must Be Love. They recorded loads of top ten hits that I’m sure would ‘test well’.

    Razor Cuts was an excellent show and should have become the model for Virgin’s output. Familiar enough to be unthreatening but different enough to keep me listening.

    If I ever hear Scouting For Girls again, it’ll be 14 billion years too soon.

  41. Darren @ August 22, 2008 at 11:56 am | Permalink

    Great Blog Geoff.

    I just wanted to add another voice of agreement here.

    SET THE MUSIC FREE!

    Hope for positive change is alive. Fingers Crossed.

  42. Carrie N @ September 5, 2008 at 4:37 pm | Permalink

    Couldn’t agree more with you there Geoff.
    The songs played by each DJ seem to be the same I’ve even heard the same song played twice on one show!
    I listen to Absolute abroad as a way of keeping up with music in the UK but often hear new songs elsewhere…like the last shaddow puppets with age of the understatement and wonder why thats not being played on the radio station that claims to play ‘the best’. But also completely agree the old playlist should no be thrown out.
    With the new name the change is already brilliant! Lets hope that continues!
    :D xx

  43. Carrie N @ September 5, 2008 at 4:40 pm | Permalink

    Also, I completely agree with Annie’s comments.

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